Recap of Lenovo Innovation World 2024 (with Prakash Sangam)

Lenovo held their Lenovo Innovation World 2024 event in Berlin, Germany just before IFA 2024 kicked off the 100th anniversary of what has become one of the largest consumer electronics trade shows in the world. This year, both Lenovo Innovation World and IFA were about the AI PC which has been tending for the better course of the year with the advent of on-device GenAI. 

Lenovo invited and hosted Leonard Lee of neXt Curve, and Prakash Sangam of Tantra Analyst in Berlin to attend Lenovo Innovation World 2024 in person. They had the privilege to have access to tech demo to get a sneak peek at the exciting new Copilot+ PC laptops Lenovo is announcing powered by Intel's upcoming Lunar Lake, Qualcomm, and AMD processors. Prakash and Leonard delve into the details of the ten new models across Lenovo's ThinkPad, ThinkBook, IdeaPad, and Yoga lines of ultra-long battery life, performant laptops for consumers and enterprises.

Finally, Leonard and Prakash were joined by press and an exclusive group of industry analysts to attend the live Lenovo Innovation World 2024 hosted by Luca Rossi, EVP of Lenovo's Intelligent Devices Group.

Prakash and Leonard cover the following topics from Lenovo Innovation World 2024:

🎱 Lenovo Innovation World 2024 (1:06)
🎱 Prakash's favorite new city (2:28)
🎱 Lenovo Innovation World 2024 event overview (3:08)
🎱 It's all about the AI PC and Copilot+PC (4:01)
🎱 New product announcement from Lenovo Innovation World 2024 (7:23)
🎱 The bottomline of AI PC value (10:58)
🎱 The NPU is in its early days (12:00)
🎱 Lenovo expands the AI PC base with Snapdragon X Plus (15:02)
🎱 Core Ultra 200V, the key to enterprise AI PC? (19:29)
🎱 Lenovo goes heavy with AMD's Ryzen AI 300 (21:54)
🎱 Lenovo's dedication to choice and differentiation (23:12)
🎱 Lenovo's consumer AI PC strategy (29:09)

Lenovo announced the following models at Lenovo Innovation World 2024:
· Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 13 Aura Edition (intel)
· Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6 (AMD)
· Lenovo ThinkBook 16 Gen 7+ (AMD)
· Lenovo ThinkBook 16 Gen 7 (Snapdragon X Plus 8-core)
· Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i Aura Edition (15”, 9 (Intel)
· Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 (14”, 9) (AMD)
· Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 5x (14”, 9) (Snapdragon X Plus 8-core)
· Lenovo IdeaPad 5x 2-in-1 (14”, 9) (Snapdragon X Plus 8-core)
· Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 5 (15", 10) (AMD Ryzen 7000 Series) 
· Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 5 13" (AMD Ryzen 7000 Series)

Make sure to check out press release announcements with specifications for each model. 
https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-unveils-pioneering-ai-driven-devices-at-lenovo-innovation-world-2024/ 

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Transcript

Prakash Sangam: 0:06

Hi

Leonard Lee: 0:10

everyone. This is Leonard Lee executive analyst at NextCurve and welcome to this episode of the Rethink podcast. And we are taping live here from Berlin, Germany. And, why are we in Germany? It's because of Lenovo innovation world 2024. And, we just happened to be in Berlin. So it's also about IFA 2024, but we're not going to talk about that for this podcast, we're going to be focusing on the Lenovo event. And I have a good friend here, Prakash Sangam of Tantra Analyst. You all know him, right? He's been on the show several times and, I've been on his several times as well. So he attended,, Lenovo's Innovation World 2024, and we're going to share some of our takes, our takes from the event, which took place this week, just before EFA 2024. So it was a pre-event. Event. So there were a lot of announcements as well as analyst briefings that we were privy to prior to many of these announcements going official and public, anyways, we can share some of our takes now. So hopefully you'll stick around and,, partake in some of the sharing here. So before we get started, remember to like subscribe to the. Next Curve YouTube podcast, as well as our research portal at www. next curve. com. And also follow Prakash Sangam on,, LinkedIn. He also has a website at where he has a research portal and it is At www. tantraanalyst. com. And, he has a podcast also, and it is called Tantra's Mantra. Yeah. So, Hey, good to be here with you in Berlin. Love to be here. Yeah. How are

Prakash Sangam: 2:10

you enjoying it? Berlin is an excellent city. It's kind of my new favorite city, if you will. Really loved it. You know, we walk quite a lot. Oh yeah. Very long. In a very green, very clean city, no crowds, people are chill, very friendly, love it. And you know, they have some pretty good food too, right? Yeah, absolutely, I'm a vegetarian slash vegan. So I actually packed my food because I was not so sure I'll get anything here, but surprise, surprise, actually, I found it better than any event I've attended in the US. So yeah, that's that.

Leonard Lee: 2:47

Yeah. This week we had the pleasure of attending, as I said, Lenovo's Innovation World 2024, which included a demo day, right? It was a demo day where we got to touch and feel the new. Products as well as get a briefing on some of the new services and capabilities that Lenovo's launching, going forward, through, EFA 2024, right? This particular event, EFA as well as Lenovo's Innovation World 2024, are particularly important, this year is simply because of what's going on with the A. I. P. C. Right? And in particular, the new silicon that's coming out from Intel fall calm and A. M. D. Right? And so this was a really big event for all three chip firms that were introducing. Either their first co pilot plus PC grade or certified or qualifying AI PCs or extending their portfolio. And so we'll talk about that in a moment, but, quite honestly, AI PCs have been around for quite some time., technically you might say that any, PC with the GPU is a, a high PC, right? Theoretically, right? There were a lot of announcements. It was actually quite overwhelming. A lot of new products that are coming out. And, but then also not just, the typical, okay, Intel and then AMD. Units now, we have Qualcomm in the game, right? Coming into IFA 2024. And so what were some of your takes? Yeah, I think lenovo World Event was very nice. I know with the pre briefing, I think it was very informative. It's not just, getting the marketing, they're saying as an analyst, you want to talk to the product managers, try to understand strategy and all. And we got that, thanks, Leno for that. And thanks, our good friend, Scott, for that. And then. The event was, of course extravagant Yeah. Very bright, very loud, colorful. Yeah, very loud and colorful. So very industrial. Yeah. Yeah. It was in a, old, power. Yeah, power plant and so on. I think more importantly, so many devices announced, as you mentioned. Now, as you all know, the whole co pilot plus PC era, started with,, Qualcomm with their X Elite and X Plus. There are more than 20 models already in the market. Some of them tested. I tested one, Yoga Slim 7X and, others I'm still working on. And then Great battery life. They set the bar on two things. One is, great battery life, right? Although we've been talking about, but they said, this is what will be standard. Now, to be a major player, you have to basically either meet or exceed it. One and second, more of a Microsoft bar, which is for anything to be called co pilot plus species. And to get all those features now and in the future. The PC has to have at least 40 AI, NPU tops and,, all that Intel and AMD announced have those, all these laptops they announced have those. So we right now have All three,, PCs with all three chipsets from almost all PC OEMs, I would say, PCMs that matter. So it's a huge portfolio for each of the OEMs as well, how we position them, how they message them. I think it's going to be key. We'll talk a little bit more about what we heard from Leno on that front. Sure., so let me break down the new models that were introduced. Actually, I'll just see that really quickly right now. And then we'll provide links to the actual,, backs and the press releases. Yes. On the consumer side. Okay. They introduced the all new Lenovo yoga slim seven. Yeah. All right. Addition. Yeah. It's a 15 inch. Version of the yoga slam seven X that we've had the pleasure of texting out. Yeah, it's basically going to be one of the two Intel, core ultra processor Howard,, PCs that, Lenovo is going to be bringing to market. Okay. So this is a really important deal for Intel, right? Lenovo is introducing the ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 13 Aura Edition. Okay. And so this is like the workhorse of enterprise, right? And now it is the second generation of the AI PC. In this line, Lenovo really positioned this particular model as their spearhead into enterprise with copilot plus PC. Okay. So that's too from Intel then on, the AMD side and they have quite a few models that they introduced. So number one, the Lenovo yoga pro seven, which is a 14 inch laptop. Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 5, which is a 15 inch laptop, and a Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 5, 13 inch. And these are both powered by AMD's Ryzen AI300 processors, right? And then on the enterprise side, they have a ThinkPad T14s Gen 6 and a ThinkBook 16 Gen 7 Plus. So that's a lot of models from AMD. Then if we kick on over to Snapdragon or Qualcomm Snapdragon X Series, where they introduced a new SKU. 8 Core SKU of the X Plus.

Prakash Sangam: 8:33

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think they said they're targeting, PCs at the price range from 600 to 800 with

Leonard Lee: 8:41

799. Well, you know, the 99 people. Right. So 799 to start. Yeah. With the Snapdragon x plus a core processor, and this is really the new models that came out from Lenovo. Yeah. You have a Lenovo idea pad Slim five x, which is a 14 inch laptop and a Lenovo idea pad five x two in one. And for Enterprise, Lenovo announced a ThinkBook 16 Gen 7 powered by Snapdragon X Plus 8 core. Yeah,

Prakash Sangam: 9:18

quite a few. That's great that you remembered all of them. I would learn. It's like going into a candy store and trying to find out how many different types of candies are out there. So yeah, all look the same and all look good. But you have to differentiate, right? So I think a couple of key points with these three associates coming in one, thanks to Qualcomm with excellent battery life and power efficiency is center of the universe again. And second AI, you have to have it, of course, most of the workloads now don't use NPU, but you have to have an NPU because Microsoft wants it because that's where everybody thinks, evolution will be. And although they are called, these are called AI PCs or corporate plus PCs, but in the short term performance between them, Will be decided based on the battery life and how they run current workloads with these processes, right? And then as we move forward, as applications move to NPU and new applications come in that utilize NPU better, maybe then we'll look at that. But right now, battery life, I think, is the. Decision factor, better life in terms of power consumed per watt, right? Or the performance per watt

Leonard Lee: 10:36

for developing to the MPU is a nascent thing, right? And we are seeing some of that happening. And so, like, at Mobile World Congress, if you've been following my coverage there, one of the things I told the Qualcomm folks is, hey, this magic mask thing is pretty cool. And that's likely that. The MPU is going to provide some utility for application features. It may not necessarily be the application itself, but when you look at the totality of an application for a particular process or function that it will provide a feature that supports that function that can capitalize on the MPU that will do it better than. The CPPP,

Prakash Sangam: 11:19

right? Absolutely. I mean, of course there'll be new applications and services Yeah. That you use the NPU. But not only that, even if you take the existing enterprise applications like security, right? I mean any enterprise pc when it is just brand new machine runs fine, looks great, the moment you load. The corporate image, the speed comes down and that life comes down mainly because lots of security and device management and other applications are continuously running the battery, the running, keeping the CPU alive all the time. And draining the efficiency with NPO. Many of those could be ported onto NPO and run at much more efficiently than they are today. That itself can increase the, battery life if well designed increase the efficiency at least.

Leonard Lee: 12:10

Utilize the NPU. Like you said, from the security perspective, from the device management perspective, these agents that are running in the background can be more active. Right, right. Yeah. And you don't have to worry about Yeah. The, the hit on power exactly as much. And so these things can be more persistent available. And then protect, let's say, for instance, with security is protecting.

Prakash Sangam: 12:34

Yeah, and right now it's not a choice. They have to run 24 7 on whenever the PC is on, which means that is hitting CPU all the time and then, not running efficiently even for very minor. I mean, they are not processor intensive, but they have to be running, which keeps the CPU alive all the time, right? Yeah, yeah. One good thing. To many of these pieces now has with the task bar is you can actually see the NP utilization, right? Which was not before. So anybody who is technically more inclined, when you buy these pieces, when you run applications, you Look at the NP utilization that would tell you, how much the app is modernized, for example. Yeah.

Leonard Lee: 13:21

Yeah. That's Qualcomm and they introduced, the X plus a core. And again, the Objective of that is really to expand the market not only for Qualcomm, but for Microsoft and then obviously providing a lower price enabling lower price point devices and then being able to all tiers and

Prakash Sangam: 13:44

bring

Leonard Lee: 13:45

AI to

Prakash Sangam: 13:45

all tier, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's one point that all these SOCs from all the vendors. Of course, they are tiered, right? But the AI capability is exactly the same in all the tiers. So the point is, at least right now, they are not tiering these devices and the SoCs Based on air capability, they want to have top of the class capability for all of them. That shows obviously, there is a good reason behind it. When new applications come in, they want very wide adoption, which helps Microsoft and on the Williams and the S. O. C. P. S. And also they don't want anybody to be handicapped from using these applications because of a inferior N. P. U. Yeah, in addition. If you have to run these lot of applications, which run all the time, like security, then, for all of these devices, they can be just moved on to NPU.

Leonard Lee: 14:43

Yeah, I think the real big announcement was the launch of Lunar Lake. Mm hmm. And what? Intel likes to call it now is Core Ultra 200 V. Okay, so that's what we're all going to have to call it. And sometimes it is high

Prakash Sangam: 15:01

and sometimes they also refer to it as Core Ultra Series

Leonard Lee: 15:06

2. Yeah, which would make Meteor Lake series one, right? Yeah. But, again, that's not the official designation. So we'll stick with 200 V. I covered this extensively for, better part of this year, starting with CES earlier this year where I had a chance to check out an early demo of Lunar Lake, but especially with Computex and attending Intel's tech world in Taipei, that's where we got a lot of detail from Intel on this new process, or at least of affirmation of a lot of the, let's call it expectations that they were setting which suggest a very performant. Okay, energy efficiency is something that they claim that they have nailed and it seems that Lenovo is pretty happy with what they've seen with the processor. The Lunar Lake is basically sporting about 120 total, let's say, AI compute tops. But, on the MPU side, about 48. And obviously we're splitting hairs with the MPU, right? And there's still a question as to, oh, what are you really going to do with this thing? Although there is some suggestions and I think Qualcomm has done a good job of suggesting what are some of the features and functions that, Could leverage MPU in a differentiated way, but all of this is still evolving, right? Exactly.

Prakash Sangam: 16:33

So, 40, 48, 50 will be a big difference. Initially, I don't think there'll be huge differences. The AI workloads ramp up, maybe we'll see some difference between The 40 under 50, right? So, yeah, I mean, we will see how far that goes. So from an OEM perspective with these many offerings, it is quite a challenge because now they are forced to support all of them and have very wide. Portfolio. I think it makes William's job difficult because there is an opportunity. So they're investing in it and have developers as well, right? To some extent.

Leonard Lee: 17:14

So going back to Lunar Lake really quickly, some of the additional. Anticipation coming with it was really on the enterprise side, as we mentioned earlier, there was some, especially with the, I think, pad X one carbon. They're really positioning that particular model to be spearhead for enterprise. And that a lot of that is basically founded on Intel's deep, legacy and and footprints in enterprise. Right. You

Prakash Sangam: 17:43

really can't ignore. CIOs, IT managers with using ThinkPad and with Intel for so long, right? And I agree with you that, we'll see how the benchmarks come in, how the actual use case. For specific use cases, the better life last for this new devices, but based on how confident we Leno was and, the VMs who announced devices PCs based on Lunar Lake, it looks like they're happy with it and, to test quite a lot. We'll have to see,

Leonard Lee: 18:20

you know, units get in the hands of testers and folks that. Benchmark these devices and we'll know

Prakash Sangam: 18:28

where to start. And from the user's perspective, when the people using it and finding how long the battery life is. Yeah, right. I mean, benchmarks is one, but when you're actually using it on a specific use case, whether the battle has claims last,

Leonard Lee: 18:43

it's important to, note that core ultra 200 V is one of two families of Processors that uses TSMC's three nanometer. Nobody else does it, right? Only Apple. They're coming in at, leading edge, not quite the leading edge, but they're, A level above everyone else in terms of the process technology that they're using. And so there's a lot of benefits that they should be able to get out of that decision to go with that technology. But obviously a lot of anticipation, but also a lot of now questions as to does Lunar Lake and the core ultra 200 V series. Deliver. And so we'll find out soon. And we can't forget. A-M-D-A-M-D was part of the party. Okay?

Prakash Sangam: 19:36

Yeah. Yeah.

Leonard Lee: 19:36

And Lenovo showcased their first batch of Verizon ai, 300 series laptops. Mm-Hmm. And one of the things that puts AMD ahead of the rest is, that dubious MPU compute, right? Tops count, right? They claim 50, 50, but that's like, you know, it's FPGA based versus. Yeah, DSP, but don't tell Qualcomm that don't tell it's an NPU folks.

Prakash Sangam: 20:10

Yes. So, but I think more important than that for AMD, I think they, among these three, they had the widest offerings on Lenovo, right? I mean, rather say, Lenovo had the widest offering on AMD, and it's targeting that crucial with their IdeaPad and two in ones. Yeah. And so they're going after the mid tier and also different use cases to with the two in one. Right? So, yeah. That's interesting. So

Leonard Lee: 20:40

Emily Chen, a CFO, she said that we have over. 50 models, and we can't forget that, when it comes to AI PCs, Meteor Lake is still a AI PC, and actually, so are the previous generation Ryzen processors, even though, they're clocking in around, 10 or 11 or AI engine tops. Yeah,

Prakash Sangam: 21:04

It's interesting how each of these are positioning themselves. And OEMs, I think, frankly, they're basically saying we'll support all of them. You try store our customers and we'll let customers choose. Right. So,

Leonard Lee: 21:17

yeah, yeah. It's like, Hey, look more competition will be good for us. It's it's a different dynamic now. Yeah.

Prakash Sangam: 21:23

Frankly, much wider bandwidth that more different types of models will be beneficial to a market leader like Lenovo because of the scope, right? Yeah. So you have to invest, of course, more if you have. You know, you have to support three different SOCs, different SKUs, and so on. So there are more R& D dollars, but if you can amortize them on a much wider scale, so your expense, additional expense per module, per device or per model will be much lower if you have a much larger scale. So yeah, yeah. Lenovo could use that as a differentiation, if you will, against competition.

Leonard Lee: 22:02

Sure. But at the end of the day it's the customer's choice, right? Exactly. What the customer wants. Yeah. So, yeah. And one of the other interesting things that, okay, so there's the Aura. Exactly. Yeah. Aura Edition, which is specific for Intel.

Prakash Sangam: 22:17

Right. And Lenovo. So it's basically, yeah, it's as they said, it's a Lenovo Intel Exclusive, which comes with set off additional features and, capabilities to some extent. They

Leonard Lee: 22:31

call them smart modes.

Prakash Sangam: 22:34

Yeah. They're boards, some of them are interesting. Some of that benign, which still be useful. But I think the most interesting one was. You take a phone, tap it into your laptop and then boom, very quickly. Very quickly. Without, I think really fast. I was really amazed how fast that is just to, just touch it. Then the device, all the pictures will move to your laptop and you can move back and forth with it. Which I think is interesting, which that I think birds on not, I think it is surely birds on Intel feature, which was called unison.

Leonard Lee: 23:08

Yeah.

Prakash Sangam: 23:08

So they work together to take it to the next level and now it's exclusive Intel and Lenovo feature and yeah. And it also had a smart support. Smart. Oh, smart support. Smart. Yeah. I forgot the exact name. Smart care. Smart care. That, I think that's also key as well, which is part of the ORA offering.

Leonard Lee: 23:29

A lot of that in the spirit of accelerating the adoption of the core ultra processors or, laptops or devices that are powered by. The core ultra 200 V into the enterprise. Right. And again, this is Intel's first batch of copilot plus PC offerings from Lenovo. And obviously we're going to see the other OEMs coming to market and announcing. Their own offering. So this is a big deal for Intel. It's probably a really big deal for the OEMs who are looking to crash that, enterprise gate, especially as they're looking at, the quote, unquote AI, PC opportunity, but then also, the sunbedding of support. Yeah. Or windows elements. So, right. So

Prakash Sangam: 24:16

It could be a perfect storm. We'll see how that turns out. If enterprises are looking to upgrade 11 itself and then the next upgrade cycle, and now there is enough offering across the board that they don't have to think. Twice before adopting, I still have to think on which SOC and which model they choose for Copilot plus PC. But one thing is, it'd be much easier for them to move on to this next generation of PCs along with Windows 11 whenever they want to do the upgrade. Yeah,

Leonard Lee: 24:51

and obviously Lenovo has a deep, legacy as we mentioned before, enterprise. Enterprise, yeah. Yeah,

Prakash Sangam: 24:59

and then the smart care. Would come in very handy in supporting and, shepherding enterprises to move into this next generation of PCs and next version of windows 11 windows.

Leonard Lee: 25:12

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then AI PC fast start, it's interesting. Yeah. Um, you know, businesses, I think it's pretty well known now, businesses have been slow to adopt. AI, despite what some early surveys last year suggested. Right. It's like, no, that hasn't turned out, but that's one of the strategies and programs that Lenovo is putting in place to basically help enterprises understand. Well, what is that value that you can get out of an AI PC? And then, beyond that, if you have a, a copilot plus PC qualifying. Device how to get additional value out of that. But, um,

Prakash Sangam: 25:52

yeah, so the, the, uh, creator zone that they announced. Yeah, they had

Leonard Lee: 25:56

it. Yeah. Yes. On

Prakash Sangam: 25:58

the consumer side is I think a good initiative as well. That works for enterprise enterprise too. So basically what it is, is they are taking the models in this specific case. They're partnering with stability to get a model. So they quantized it so that it runs on device. It still needs a connection for. For internet connection to make sure the content is not questionable content to do security check. It still needs internet connection, but the model itself completely learns on the device. So it's for, primarily text to image creation and that sort of things. The whole idea is basically making sure you provide, applications and use cases and uses for users to use the NPU that is on the device, right? I think that's an interesting and neat way to enable users to use it. If you're using. Stable diffusion on cloud, you have to pay or do they have a subscription or tokens and so on here? It's all free of cost to you because it's all running on the device.

Leonard Lee: 27:06

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so I think that's a good approach. And, they're not going off in training their own models or create their own, Lenovo, LLM or diffusion model, they're really trying to partner again with the likes of stability AI. And being able to create these new capabilities locally that support a Lenovo branded experience. And it's an interesting strategy and it's 1 that, I think Lenovo feels they need to do in order to differentiate, especially, In quote unquote AI,

Prakash Sangam: 27:41

right. And accelerate the adoption. You know, that's basically everybody's trying to do, and you already have the capability on the device that you own. Yeah. Why not look at a person to use it?

Leonard Lee: 27:52

Yeah. And these guys, I'm telling you, they like to explore, they like to experiment and and not just, across a lot of fronts. And so it's going to be interesting to see. How their strategy, as we've heard it, seen it evolves and then expresses itself through execution. But wow. We're trying to get through as much as we can in a short period of time, because we don't want to make this into a two hour piece. We probably forgot some stuff, but you know what we'll make some notes in the comment section or in the posts that we make of this particular podcast. But Hey, Prakash, it's so. Good to hang out with you. Yeah. Especially like the sightseeing. Yeah. Yeah. Just a hint on the IFA stuff. Yeah. We saw IFA in a day. Yeah. Maybe it's because we're so pro that, it doesn't take us long anymore. We can just walk through and walk the, whatever. Eight or nine miles of IFA and, see everything that we need to see and walk out with the impressions that we need. But yeah, that's going to be another exciting discussion and we'll recap everything next week. So stay tuned for that, but remember to like share. And also subscribe to the NextCurve Rethink podcast and then follow our research at www. next curve. com. And Prakash, why don't you take an opportunity to share with our audience here, how they can contact you and partake in Tantra analysts? Yeah, sure. First of

Prakash Sangam: 29:22

all, first of all, thank you very much for for the opportunity to speak. I really enjoyed Being in the event as well as yeah, in this podcast. So yeah, you can find a lot of my research on my site, www tantra analyst.com follow me on my Twitter, my tech musings, again, my tech musings, or on LinkedIn. And also have a podcast it's called Tantras Mantra, which you can find on my website as well. Yeah, I talk a lot. Yeah.

Leonard Lee: 29:53

And we talk about really cool stuff. So you wanna make sure that you listen in. So with that, hey let's have a safe trip back home. We're on the stage flight away. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see you next time. All right. Take care everyone.